tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10944560.post5351205751937923650..comments2024-01-01T08:18:36.278-05:00Comments on Real Physics: A Womb, Not a FactoryLawrence Gagehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01242322119143922513noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10944560.post-57659043489737918432008-06-04T23:57:00.000-04:002008-06-04T23:57:00.000-04:00Dear Anonymous,My point is that it is not possible...Dear Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>My point is that it is not possible to grow an organism with such a process, because organisms <I>grow</I> and aren't assembled like machines. To successfully assemble a human (or any organism) in such a way would require God-like technical powers--powers that far outstrip our rather puny moral aptitudes.<BR/><BR/>Do clones have souls? Ask identical twins. They are genetic duplicates just like clones, and neither class of person is any less a person for it. The fascination of cloning is the technical power it would require and not so much the result, which is <I>at best</I> just another human being.<BR/><BR/>Tony,<BR/><BR/>The soul is the form of the body, so it's hard to see how there could be a human body without a human soul. A human body without a soul is a corpse, and readily falls apart without its form.<BR/><BR/>I don't understand how the lack of consent of the donor of the genetic material adds much to the moral deviancy of cloning humans. The process itself is such a gross violation of the natural order that consent wouldn't significantly alleviate its wrongness. The lack of consent per se is an injustice to the person whose genetic material was taken.<BR/><BR/>LGLawrence Gagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01242322119143922513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10944560.post-39007155461226028212008-06-04T15:12:00.000-04:002008-06-04T15:12:00.000-04:00i wonder...if we were to atempt this process, woul...i wonder...if we were to atempt this process, would it work? i am but 14 and am fasinated with these types of expirements. i once thought of what would happened if we mixed species, i.e. the mule. what would happen if we morphed humans to animals? if it worked, would we be able to clone them? cloning is possible in alot of childerns videos, such as star was, the island, etc.after reading many other sites on cloning, people say it is un-ethical. do clones have souls? if we didnt dull their minds, how would they react?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10944560.post-47549952962881393462008-01-31T21:21:00.000-05:002008-01-31T21:21:00.000-05:00I have wondered whether, if asexual cloning were t...I have wondered whether, if asexual cloning were to turn out to be possible for human bodies, whether that process would preclude or sidestep the ensoulment which happens by GOd's hand at fertilization. That is to say, what if the biological process of sexual fertilization is inherently foundational (as a required pre-condition) to God's act of creating a soul to be the form of that body? Would we get human bodies that are not human beings? <BR/><BR/>Probably the question is meaningless on some level that I am not seeing. But it occurred to me as a revolt against the possibility of a child who had no real parent properly speaking. The meaning of father and mother in the fullest sense is in reference to an act whereby their physical, emotional, and spiritual union is fruitful. Even when a child comes to be by rape, that child has a father who chose to engage in a physical act which bore fruit, so the biological father has a real tie to the child by his action. He may never <B> operate </B> as a father, but the ontological relationship is there. Further, there is always a mother who bore the child in her womb. Parents as such seem to be intrinsically involved in the material <I> and </I> agent causality of a child's being. <BR/><BR/>But with cloning, it can be true that the person whose cells are used are not involved in any way by choice or act. Thus there is no person whose chosen act is connected with the material cause of the being of the child. I.e., no father or mother. Which is an abomination even greater than that of abortion, in my mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com